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PostSubject: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Fri May 27, 2011 2:17 pm

Painting small plein airs with water soluble oil has been working fine, but once I started painting larger sizes (16x20 and up), the medium started becoming a big issue! Since I like to work wet-into-wet, I’m not looking for fast-drying mediums that past topics were focused on.

I’m looking for a water-soluble medium which lets me carry a load of paint smoothly across the canvas with my large (size 10+) brushes. With conventional paint, a little dip in 3-parts stand oil + 5-parts Turpenoid does the job.

・Some people were talking about 1/2 Linseed and 1/2 water, so tried mixing W&N Artisan Stand Oil with water and it turned into milky white liquid. Shocked I’m not sure about using such cloudy fluid. Is that what everyone’s working with? Maybe issue was with the W&N Artisan oil.

・Tried W&N Artisan Painting Medium and hated it. No It was like dipping brush into gum syrup, impossible to work with.

Maybe studio paintings should be done with conventional oils, but cleaning brush is so much more pleasant and easier with wso!

Do you have any ideas or suggestions? Any help is appreciated!

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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Fri May 27, 2011 3:50 pm

For me and a few others I know, Walnut Oil has been the answer. It is much more fluid than Linseed or Stand Oil and reminds me of painting with OMS, Damar Varnish and Linseed Oil. The added benefit that you might enjoy is that it takes longer to dry than Linseed Oil. Clean-up is a little bit tougher. I keep a jar of soapy water and and a jar of clear water to clean my brushes with while painting. Another person has lots of brushes and uses 1 of each for light colors and 1 of each for dark colors, while wiping off the brushes on paper towels when changing colors. For clean up I wash the brushes in regular soap and water, with a final cleaning with Masters Brush Cleaner. I don't need to use any solvents at all. An easier way to thin your medium is with Artisan Thinner, it works much better than water and doen't have the color change that water does with WMO's. The Thinner has a little bit of oil to it, compared to water. I've also used the Thinner as the only medium in the base layer of painting. Hope this helps.
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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Fri May 27, 2011 6:07 pm

I second the walnut oil. I've had very good results with it. I do put a thin film of walnut oil over the gesso or acrylic under painting before I start with the WSO's. It helps them adhere and also makes them flow easily onto the canvas. I seen this similar procedure done with linseed oil by traditional oils painters.

I haven't tried the thinner yet, but Callie gave a real good demonstration using it in place of the traditional oil and turps. Here's the link to the demo in case you haven't seen it.

http://watersolubleoils.forumotion.com/t654-paint-thinner-and-glazing-techniques

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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:19 pm

I've read a few posts about walnut oil, but wasn't sure what people were using it for. Thank you, Dayle, for a detailed explanation. I was under the impression that it's not water soluble, but see that it works in a small amount.

I will also try the Artisan Thinner. Maybe that plus ws stand oil will work.

Thank you very much for your inputs!

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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:22 am

Let us know if the stand oil/thinner combination works well for you. I'm assuming you'll be using the 3:5 ratio like you did with stand oil and turps. Keep us posted on your success. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Thu Jun 02, 2011 8:50 am

krich wrote:
...・Some people were talking about 1/2 Linseed and 1/2 water, so tried mixing W&N Artisan Stand Oil with water and it turned into milky white liquid. Shocked I’m not sure about using such cloudy fluid. Is that what everyone’s working with? Maybe issue was with the W&N Artisan oil.

・Tried W&N Artisan Painting Medium and hated it. No It was like dipping brush into gum syrup, impossible to work with.
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The cloudyness you're seeing is not a problem. It's the effect of emulsification between oil and water. It's basically bubbles that will gradually dissipate. I see the same effect happen with other mediums and other brands of wmo paints. It will also happen when you use the Artisan Thinner, but perhaps not as noticeably.

The Painting Medium is stand oil already diluted but also has a resin which may account for the syrupy feel you noticed.

Something else you might try is an egg & oil mixture. I sometimes use this for fluid detail work. 1 part egg yolk, 1 part oil, 1 part water. It dries fairly quickly or you can add a little oil of clove to slow it down. If you use a lot of it then you need a firm support, not stretched canvas.
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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:19 pm

I tried W&N Artisan Thinner and it's exactly what I was looking for.

Used alone, it works like Turpenoid and when mixed with Stand oil, it becomes a non-cloudy medium. I was able to keep fluid strokes while painting in 24x30 inch canvas with size 16 brushes.

Thank you all very much for your help!
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PostSubject: Re: Looking for water soluble mediums for fluid strokes   Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:12 pm

So glad the thinner worked for you. I just ordered some yesterday and am anxious to give it a try. Thanks for the feed back.

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