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PostSubject: Lake with clouds   Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:04 pm

[img]http://watersolubleoils.forumotion.com/[/img]I am trying to get the right colours on the sky and finding it difficult. HELP!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:54 pm

What colors are you using so far. I always tend to use cobalt blue and them add some crimson. If I-m looking for grays, I mix the crimson and blue for a violet and then add varying amounts of yellow ochre. With stormier clouds I lleave some of the ochre standing on its own.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:16 am

Great start Dale! Sorry I'm really terrible with landscapes so can't help you there but luckily we do have several people who paint landscapes. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:12 pm

I really love the grasses and the horizon line of trees.

Don't worry too much about duplicating the sky in the water - instead just treat it as water and it will look more natural. Great start.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:18 pm

Hi Dale:
We use Artisan paints, so I can name those specific tubes.
For skies, we tend to mix Cerulean Blue, Titanium White, maybe with some French Ultramarine Blue, then add a tiny bit of Dioxazine Purple if you want to go for evening sky. Clouds: maybe some French Ultramarine with Raw Umber to get grey, with Titanium White.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Sat Aug 14, 2010 11:42 am

I've thought about this painting a bit and guess my comments are going to sound like Charlie Brown (wishy-washy) . However, the painting is definitely not wishy-washy!

In Carlson's Guide to Landscape Painting (page 37) he indicates that the sky "must be the lightest mass or value in a landscape. The reflection of a white cloud in a pool of water is no exception, as all lights lose something of their brilliance in being reflected." (He also mentions that snow is an exception, but of course that doesn't apply here.) This was what I kind of thought when I first looked at the painting.

BUT! I really like that my eye is drawn into the lake by the lighter values of the cloud reflections. Hmmmm. Maybe (in a very meek Charlie Brown voice) slightly tone down the nearest cloud reflections or break them up with a suggestion of a few wind ripple areas. This so that the viewer's eye progresses toward the far end of the lake. But then again .....

With the far end of the lake as the center of interest, I don't know as you need to do anything much to the actual sky. It reads nicely to me now.

A seemingly simple subject, but actually a very challenging one. I like it; you're doing well with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:48 am

For what it's worth Dale one bit of advice given to me recently is that the reflection in water should be darker than the original
I like the painting
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:42 am

Re: Reflections - In this photo the reflections of the clouds are as bright as the clouds themselves (in a few areas the reflections even seem brighter). The reflections of the blue and the gray cloud shadows do look darker than in the sky (a la Carlson). So I guess I would add a caveat to this particular Carlson guide; reflections of white clouds may choose to ignore the guidelines.



The "whites" of the clouds seem warmer to me than their reflections. And Dale, that's what you have depicted in your painting Very Happy. Maybe if the blue in the sky was lightened just a bit and the reflection of the blues darkened a bit (and maybe "grayed" some) that would help. It would add add even more contrast to the surface of the lake and keep the eye drawn to it. Of course, the most important thing is how the painting "reads" to you the artist, all other persons' ideas not withstanding.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:04 pm

Thanks for the advice everyone. I will see how this progresses and post the next stage.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:52 pm

I tried to remember everyone's advice and will go back over to posts in case i missed anything. This is the progress I made this weekend. I realized that my trees had grown om the left side so have cropped them and started workingon the low sky area again.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:28 pm

It's coming together nicely. The sky and reflection is looking great. Judy

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Sun Sep 12, 2010 8:30 pm

Thanks.

I don't think I would use the same composition. it just doesn't feel right.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:02 pm

It's looking like a lake now! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Sep 13, 2010 12:54 am

Dale your sky, lake and landscape each side are fantastic. Just one comment about the foreground. To me it forms a barrier. I covered it up with a card and, again, to me it transformed the aainting tremendously.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:23 am

Wow, Jack - you are 100% correct. And that is funny - I had seen the same thing happen to someone else's painting and forgot about it. I will grow the water. Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:07 am

That's what I was thinking, too - maybe more water to either the left or right going off the edge of the canvas and a few gaps in the foreground shrubbery where the water peeks through? Whatever you do, it's another winner! A beautiful scene.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:27 pm

Love the plant life around the water....looks very natural.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:59 am

On the following website are some interesting comments on reflections being dark or light. It's by a photographer, but very appropriate for us analog types (painters Very Happy ). http://www.bythom.com/ He changes the photo and writeup at the top every bit and that's the part I'm referring to. So this reference won't be helpful in a while.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:54 am

Thanks Jim for that. It is illustrative but inconclusive. As it should be. His comments that what we create is our vision. There is no right or wrong answer. Trying as I do to understand Photoshop and watching the results of other photographers I am in awe at what some create. Many photographers are artists just as we.
We are trying to create an illusion. I once painted the sky in one work as green. I must admit, by error, then I decided to keep it. It balanced what was below. That one did sell. But that was in the days before I photographed my work. Sadly.
Let us never be bound by rules.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:07 pm

Good article, Jim, it reminds us to use our own creativity to produce our vision.

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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Oct 05, 2010 4:05 pm

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So the first picture explains some of why my work gets hair in it. and the second shows where I am attempting to open up that barrier.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:28 pm

I thought you were adding some "cat-tails" there very funny
I really like how this is shaping up now, it has a greater sense of distance and openess.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:36 pm

Oh Callie. That is funny.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:58 pm

Callie, That's good.....love you sence of humor. I think it is really opening up also....cute cat - right in the middle of things.
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PostSubject: Re: Lake with clouds   Tue Oct 05, 2010 7:36 pm

Looking good...the painting and the cat.

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